Motorhomes - Hurricane Leslie Strikes

So there a couple weeks ago we had a tropical storm / hurricane Leslie and I quickly came to realize how unrealistic it would be for me to expect everyone to enjoy camping.  Once we lost our power it was like the world was going to end.  We did have a generator to get some things going but there wasn't a whole lot of interest in non-electronic activities.  It seemed like a good time for roughing it a little but I was the only one remotely interested.

I've snapped back to my senses and will put all motorhome related activities on hold for an indefinite number of years.  My youngest son is 10 so maybe 10 more years......

I've covered most of the motorhome basics and given some hopefully good info on trailers and campers.  The thing is now I need a new topic.  My oldest son will soon be getting his license but the outrageous cost of insurance rules out us getting him a fun car of his own.  It's almost $4,000 a year to insure anything, so even a piece of junk car would run him about $800 a month after gas and car payments.  Looking for a good used car would be good for some interesting posts though.

One of my kids wants a parrot so we could start a parrot blog...... have to think that one over.

Stay tuned!

Motor-Homes 101 - Class 3

So this post isn't exactly about motorhomes but rather the motorhome alternative..... travel trailers.  Travel Trailer use greatly outnumbers motorhome use at least in this part of the woods.  There is only one local dealer selling motorhomes as far as I know although you can find a decent selection in the local online classifieds.

Anyway the big obvious difference between motorhomes and travel trailers is the lack of a motor in the travel trailer, as a result you need something to tow it.  And don't think you will just hook the old CRV up to one of these babys and head out the highway.  You might get a pop up variety like this one from Jayco but only the smallest of these is under 2000 lbs, a CRV can only tow about 1400.  You can check some out at: http://www.jayco.com/products/camping-trailers/jay-series-sport/floorplans-specs

Unless you will be towing the smaller pop up type travel trailer you will need a pick-up truck.  And not just any pick-up truck.  You will need a full size pick-up with a towing package.  Even a modest size travel trailer can have a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) over 6000 lbs, and that is very modestly sized.  The GVWR is the weight of the trailer plus its carrying capacity.  You should go by the GVWR and not the weight of the trailer because by the time you add water, propane tanks, luggage, bikes, bedding, food etc.... you will be closer to the GVWR than just the weight of the trailer.  And if you pull a trailer with a vehicle that can't handle the weight you will destroy your vehicle's engine and transmission.

In my next post I will get into more of the particulars about travel trailer sizes and amenities as well as recommended tow vehicles.

Motor-Homes 101 - Class 2

Ok, so I've been doing motorhome research for a couple weeks now and have a few observations to share:

I can't see why you would buy one of these new.  The cheap ones are about $100,000 after tax, and like a new car they depreciate like a rock, but it seems even more so.  Most used models about 6 to 8 years old go for 30-40,000.  I guess that's the point that the owner either wants to up-size or down-size, or maybe has just gotten tired of the pink velvet interior.  But either way some of these machines don't get much use and you can pick a nice looking used one up for about 1/3 the original price.  If you get bored after a couple years you could just sell it again.

There are about 1000 different floor plans, models and layouts.  In fact it's difficult to find good comparison pricing material.  I went to Islander RV and they didn't have prices on anything, they also had limited selection of smaller motorhomes.  I'll save my full Islander RV post for later this week.

Class C motorhomes seem like the best bet for a starter motorhome for a small family.  They come with the bunk over the cab plus another bed usually in the back for anything over 24'.  Even the 21' - 23' ones have a sofa and table that can convert to a bed to sleep 6..... well 6 munch-kins but they can sleep 4 fairly comfortably.  I can't imagine the converted table is very cozy though.....

The Class A just seem too large for occasional use, they are the hardest on gas and are expensive to maintain.  Class A are the ones that look like a bus.  Not for weekend trips to Butterpot but would probably be nice if you were Snow-birding it to Florida for 6 months of the year.  They are the most like a home away from home.

Class B are like the traditional Class C motor-home but without the bed over the cab, which makes them look a bit nicer.  So you lose sleeping for 2 but get a nicer looking rig.  Good trade off if you only want to sleep two or three people, they are also slightly better on gas than the Class C.

There doesn't seem to be a large availability of motorhomes in this area, the travel trailers seem more popular by about 100 to1.  The largest market is in private sales and these guys that bring motorhomes in from the mainland and Florida, here is one of their ads:
http://www.nlclassifieds.com/classifieds/RecreationVehicles/Motorhomes/902753

So Class C motorhomes seem to be the way to go for occasional motorhome camping with a small family.  The 25'-28' models mostly have queen beds in back, bunk over the cab and a decent kitchen and bathroom.

But then you have to ask yourself..... why does everyone use travel trailers here and not motorhomes?

Motor-homes 101 - Class 1

So I spent a couple of days doing some motor-home research.  It's hard to find good websites related to motor-homes for some reason.  One thing I have come to realize, buying a motor-home is an expensive proposition.  First you have the up front cost, then you have to insure it (not sure what the cost is but it will be more than a car), maintain it, clean all the tanks and make sure the windows are properly sealed every year.... and then you have to fill the thing with gas and pay camp-site fees if you want to travel anywhere.

A relatively small new Class C off the lot motor-home will run you close to $100,000 after tax and all fees.  So that brings me to me first fact finding mission..... what is the difference between a class A, B or C motor-home.  I would try and explain it all myself but there are a few websites that do an admirable job:

Different motorhome types offer huge variety and price ranges. Classes of motorhomes labeled A, B and C. Diesel and gas. Let's break it down.

Class A: Largest Motorhomes

Class A's are built on a specially-constructed chassis designed for motorhomes. Lengths range from 26 - 45 feet. Slideouts are common. 
Pushing a button makes part of the room slide out, and voila!, you have more space. Newer models have as many as 4 slides. The "home" part of the motorhome includes its own heating, air conditioning, electric system, propane supply, and water tanks (fresh water, grey water, black water).

Accommodations include all the essentials - kitchen with microwave/oven, fridge, cooktop, dining area, living area, bedroom and bathroom. Washer/dryer may be standard or an option (or you can use the space otherwise - based on your lifestyle). It's pretty standard to have a VCR and two TVs (living and bedroom). Flat screen LCD TVs are becoming common at the high end of the spectrum.

The further you go up in price, the more bells and whistles - hydraulic leveling systems, electric awnings, heated ceramic tile floors, dishwashers, trash compactors, automatic sunscreens, GPS, and so on.

Class A motorhome types include gas or diesel-powered. The diesel varieties are generally more expensive than gas, and are called diesel pushers - meaning the diesel engine is in the back of the motorhome (diesel pullers described below).

At the most luxurious end of the range, Class A motorcoaches are called highliners. And at the top of the heap, and some would argue in a class by themselves, are totally custom coaches like the Prevost. Suffice it to say that there is a wide array of choices, floor plans, and interiors ranging from practical to luxurious - with corresponding price tags from $60,000 to over $600,000 to the millions of dollars.

Bottom line: The Class A motorhome type offers the motorhomeconvenience of being able to access your living space while on the road. Lots of choices for features and interiors, and good basement storage. A favorite with fulltimers who move around a lot (with fifth-wheels being another fulltimer favorite). More about Class A motorhome types...

Class B: Camper Vans or Van Conversions

Class B's are built on a van chassis with an elevated roof, so you can stand up inside. Lengths range from 17- 19 feet.

Accommodations are tucked inside - usually cooking facilities, sink, small fridge, convertible bed/dinette, toilet, fresh water and waste water tanks, and electric outlets. Interior space can be limited, so these are not for large groups or extended living. But they are workable for a couple, and for overnight stays or camping trips.

One of our readers (a couple who spends 3-6 months at a time in their class B), has observed that when they pull into a campground, they have many people interested in their Class B, and hear comments like "with less space, you have everything one needs and great gas milage (22-25mpg diesel)".

There is growing variety in designs and models of this motorhome type. Prices range from $40,000 - $100,000.

Bottom line: The Class B motorhome type offers versatility and fuel economy. They can easily maneuver around town and tight rural spaces, serve as a second family vehicle, and can be used for light towing.

Class C: Mini-Motorhomes

Class C's are built on a regular automotive chassis with both driver and passenger side doors. Lengths range from 22-35 feet. In addition to a regular bed, they usually have a bed over the cab (hence they are sometimes called a "cab-over" motorhome). 

Slide-outs are common these days, extending the living space. These tend to be scaled down versions of a class A.

The home has its own heating, air-conditioning, plumbing and electrical systems. And typical accommodations include kitchen with microwave/oven, fridge, cooktop, dining area, living area, bedroom, bathroom, washer/dryer, VCR, TVs, etc. Optional features vary by manufacturer and model. Prices for a Class C range from $50,000 to $150,000.

Bottom line: The Class C motorhome type offers smaller sizes and price tags often attractive to new and/or budget-minded RVers. Its cab-over bed extends sleeping quarters for families. And it has the motorhomeconvenience of being able to access your living space while on the road.More about Class C Motorhomes...

Diesel Pullers:

These motorhome types have a diesel engine up front, in a truck-like cab with driver and passenger side doors. The diesel puller looks more like a truck, while the dieselpusher looks more like a bus.

There is a lot of variation in this new form of RV. Numerous manufacturers offer an assortment of choices ranging from a 16-foot Class B van-type to a huge 45-foot Class C motorcoach.

Bottom line: Another example of the constantly changing RV world, from which you can create your RV lifestyle.

Your best bets to learn about motorhome types, or narrow down what's right for you? Visit the RV shows and some local dealers. Explore manufacturer and dealer websites to check out different models and classes of motorhomes. You have to see these things.